Black Men Dating White Women (Jungle Fever)

Via Assanova @ Real Made Men



You guys wanted me to write more about interracial dating, well I came across an interesting video that fellow blogger Assanova shared on his blog.

Thought I would share it here, as well as post my commentary.

Here are the points Dr. Johnson makes:
  1. Black men date White women because of a self-hatred for themselves
  2. Most interracial relationships between Blacks and Whites are middle/upper class Black men marrying lower class White women
  3. Never see rich White women marrying poor Black men
  4. Black men marry White women for acceptance from White race
  5. Do it to sooth inferiority complex in presence of White man
  6. Black men who marry White women have low self-esteem
  7. White women who Black men marry, are White women no other White men wanted
  8. If White women could have White man with same socioeconomic status, they wouldn't marry Black men
  9. Preaches against interracial relationships
  10. Black men marry outside their race more than any other race put together
  11. Views it as case of self-hatred

My Rational Take On It

While watching the video, what immediately jumps out at me was Dr. Johnson's blunt, eloquent and succinct speaking style. He speaks like Malcolm X, tells you nothing but the truths without sugar coating it. This immediately tells me he's a rational person.

I will respond to his points with my objective and rational take on them.

If you've followed my blog for some time you would know that I am generally not attracted to Black women. That doesn't mean I am never attracted to Black women, it just means I am attracted to them a lower percentage of the time compared to other races. In general, I am attracted to Japanese and Russian girls, but that's for a different post.

Some of the points he makes I agree with, but most I don't.

Chris Bosh and Wife


Point 1 - Disagree - I don't think Black men date White women because of a self-hatred for themselves.

They date White women because that is the idealized version of beauty in the world. It is hard to escape it, even for someone like me who was born in Africa. It is subconsciously indoctrinated into you through the media.

Looking back in my past, when I was still growing up in Africa, I would say I began liking White women from seeing them on TV. They were very exotic and intrigued me. Even at that time, when I was about 7 years old, I was fascinated by them. I would see them in movies and my body not knowing what sex was at that time, would want to kiss them, thinking it would bring me closer to their mysticism.

State College = Nothing But White People

Fast-forward to me arriving in America in 4th grade, and their mysticism quickly disappeared, they were old news after seeing them all over the place. However when I moved to the states, I was living in State College, PA (Penn State), and that place was not diverse at all. From the moment I started 4th grade, till the time I left State College in the middle of 7th grade, I don't remember ever having any Black girls in my class, except for one bi-racial girl (mulatto) in 4th grade.

With numbers like that, they were no girls to like BUT White girls. It's human nature for men to make due with what they have. So I got used to White girls you could say, those where the only girls around.

I heard about a study, where they say that your preference in the opposite sex is discovered and developed before you're 12 years old and once you grow past that age, it's hard to change it. In other words, if you prefer dating Black, White, Asian, etc. from around 7-12 years old, it's going to be hard to all of a sudden change and start preferring another race.This needs to be looked into some more.

Anyway that's where I think I started to like White women, and it then shifted to Asian girls, and now I'm kind of neutral, I constantly keep fluctuating.

Michael Jordan and Wife (Model)

Points 2, 3 Disagree - About his point of most interracial relationships being between upper/middle class Black men marrying lower class White women.

I think that's a general theme that reflects more on the sexual nature of men and women, that we learn from evolutionary psychology.

Regardless of race, the female species marries the male with the highest social status she can get. Males on the other hand marry for beauty, since it is a symbol of health and fertility. A woman marrying a male with low social status, regardless of whether she was rich, would be playing an evolutionary unstable strategy. Women who played that strategy were eliminated after many generations, and those that played the evolutionary stable strategy of marrying a man based on his social status, where allowed to have their genes propagated into future generations.

Points 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11 Disagree - I don't know if this is necessary the case.

If White beauty is deemed as the highest standard of beauty and is subconsciously indoctrinated in Black men by media. Is it then not rational for a man to want to achieve what is viewed as the highest standard of beauty?

In addition, if a Black man is living in a predominantly Non-Black area, is it not rational for him to look at dating other races?

Points 7, 8 Agree - This one I agree with, it is pure fact.

Obviously we're generalizing, but that tends to be the case. Most Black men who date interracially are dating women who are either not heavily desired compared to other girls of their race or lower in socioeconomic status. I think this has to do with the Plus 2 rule (+2), which I'll discuss below.

I wrote about it before, in my rants about women being racist when it comes to online dating. It had a study where it showed that if White women were to choose between two men they would deem to be equal in looks, but one was a White man and the other a minority, they would always take the White man. That's an obvious rational choice, due to the racial backlash. But the interesting thing was, that in order for a minority to overcome that, he would have to be +2 better in looks just to be on an equal playing field.

In other words, if we were to judge looks on a scale of 1-10, with 10 being really good looking. Two men who were both 8s, but one being a minority, would not be able to compete for the White woman's attention. The minority would have to be a 10, just to be considered.

The scale is for looks, but it can be changed to other representative scales such as socioeconomic status, or my favorite in this case, game.

I see the latter a lot, although I've never openly talked about it except to my wing Prince P, who also has experienced it, and feels this principle is true.

What we've both experienced from doing cold approach is that being minorities, we're automatically at a disadvantage when wanting to date White women, or even any other races.


We've both seen some White guys get approach invitations, girls numbers, dates, lays, etc. with what we both consider "mediocre" game. For example, using the same scale from above, a White guy's game could be an 8/10 and he would get the girl. If our game was an 8/10 or 9/10 we would most likely not get the girl. It's almost like our game has to be a 10/10 i.e. flawless to get her to consider dating interracially.

We both repeatedly experienced this so much, that we fundamentally PLANNED for it if we wanted to succeed in our ventures. Almost everything we do, we would include a White person in it, since it built more comfort with White women.

While doing our meetup group, we made sure one of the assistant organizers was a White guy. Otherwise, White women, who happened to make up the majority of women on meetup.com, would not come to a meetup with a Black guy and Indian guy leading it. That's just the plain truth. Same thing with our photo shoots with models. Having a White guy would just automatically build more comfort, to a point it became a rational choice. The times we didn't have a White person with us would just seem like self-immolation.



In pickup they say it's always better to pickup women when you can show you're pre-selected by women. We both learned a supplement to that, which was this: It's a lot easier to pickup White women if you can show you're pre-selected by White people. Example, when Prince P (an Indian guy) and me (a Black guy) invite two White girls to a party, chances of them coming are medium to low. However, if we have a White dude with us when we meet and talk to the White girls, chances of them coming to our party shoot up. This would happen a lot.

We never liked this one bit, but being the rational men that we are, we knew we could not blank-out reality. Reality is what it is, irrespective of what we think. In order to succeed with reality, we had to acknowledge it.

It seems like in order to date outside the race, you need to have a +2, whether you do it with game, social status or looks, you need to bring a +2 to the table to be considered. Obviously this my generalization, but it appears to to be true from Prince P and I's real world experience.

Anyway, that's my commentary on his video, which I thought was deep and made me think about this issue much more.

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